Episode 75: Overcoming Entrepreneurial Depression with Kelly Ruta

Episode 75: Overcoming Entrepreneurial Depression with Kelly Ruta

I really hope that more entrepreneurs and CEOs start fessing up. You don’t have to put it on a billboard, but tell somebody who cares and can help you that you’re not okay. And then, put your heads together about what you need to become okay because you might feel like you’re falling apart, but there’s always a way to put you back together, and you might put yourself back together even stronger than you were before.

Susanne Mariga:Welcome to the Profit Talk show. In this show, we’re going to explore strategies to help you maximize profits in your business while scaling and creating the lifestyle that you want as an entrepreneur. I am your host, Susanne Mariga. I am a Certified Public Accountant, a Certified Profit First Professional and a Certified Tax Coach. And today we’re going to talk about strategies to help you maximize profits in your business. 
Susanne Mariga:Hello Profit First Entrepreneurs and Thought Leaders. I am so excited. We have a special guest, and actually she’s back for the second time because her first time was so impactful on our show. And this is Kelly Sullivan Ruta. Now, Kelly, from what you guys remember last time, she is a CEO development strategist, and she specializes in really teaching service-based entrepreneurs how to make fundamental psychological shifts that create exponential growth in your business.
Susanne Mariga:Kelly is very unique because you know why? You hear all this stuff about mindset. Kelly is actually the real deal. I have worked with Kelly. She is amazing. Her background is in psychology. She actually has a Master’s degree in social work, and she also has a postgraduate certificate and Substance Abuse Counselor by the way, with all honors. So, she’s a brainy active. Now, she’s worked with the women’s leadership initiative at McDonald’s as well as Novartis pharmaceuticals. And also, she’s worked with other online businesses such as  Screw The Nine To Five, Epic At Sales, as well as Heart Behind Hustle. Now Kelly has a very special title. She’s also the mindset expert faculty member of the Profit First Professionals. So, she works with Mike Michalowicz and Profit First Professionals, meaning that we are broken, she cracks our eggs, and she fixes us, and also she speaks live. She goes on virtual stages, and really compels CEOs to development themselves strategically as they do their business initiatives. So, I’m excited. Please join me in welcoming Kelly Ruta to our stage today. Hey, Kelly, how are you?
Kelly Ruta:Thank you. That was quite a welcome. My goodness. Thank you. I’m excited to be here. And I’m just honored that you asked me back a second time. I can’t wait to dive into our conversation.
Susanne Mariga:Our first conversation was so deep. I said, let’s talk about the things that nobody talks about today. And this is a really important conversation. I feel like we don’t talk about enough in this world. And I mentioned a little bit in my book about entrepreneurial depression, that reality of entrepreneurial depression, where all that highs and lows, and it’s interesting because when I actually discover this, this is when I started working with Kelly and this is a very easy to happen. I’m actually going to go ahead and talk to Kelly and have her describe what entrepreneurial depression is.
Kelly Ruta:I love that you’re talking about this, that we can be open and vulnerable and really start normalizing some of the experiences that entrepreneurs and business owners go through, but also start using words like depression without apology or shame or justification. So, a couple of things. Number one is there are a lot of us who go into business ownership and entrepreneurship who already have things like trauma or anxiety or depression or substance abuse in our backgrounds prior to becoming business owners. Then there’s another whole subset of people who get into this work, which is particularly challenging on lots of different levels, sometimes 10 different levels in a single day. Some symptoms will start to emerge. Now some of those symptoms are diagnosable and some are not.
Kelly Ruta:So, first, I don’t diagnose anymore. So, just note it is important. That is not the position I’m in anymore. That’s not what I do anymore. And, it’s not ethical to diagnose from afar. Meaning if somebody came on today and was talking about depression, I couldn’t say, “Oh, I’m going to diagnose you with this.” But what I would say is, if somebody presents with a bunch of symptoms, and it’s enough that it’s starting to interrupt the quality of your daily life or your ability to perform daily activities, that’s time to go speak to a clinical, mental health professional to see if you meet the criteria for a diagnosis of depression. So, there’ll be a bunch of people that do meet that. There will also be a bunch of entrepreneurs who are just going through a really challenging experience growing their businesses, growing themselves as leaders, as CEOs.
Kelly Ruta:It is an incredibly taxing experience. It’s a very rewarding and wonderful experience as well, but there’s a lot of risk taking. There’s a lot of, “Oh, this is wonderful just to be filed by. And there are a lot of funny memes that exists on social media about what everybody thinks entrepreneurship is. And it’s just the sharpest sent to greatness. When in reality it’s more like a rollercoaster ride. So, I really love the fact that we’re sort of normalizing that the journey for a business owner and an entrepreneur has a lot of ups and downs. And, sometimes that experience can really trigger things like anxiety and depression in business owners.
Susanne Mariga:Definitely. As entrepreneurs, especially in that scaling level where you’re no longer that party of one, which a lot of our audience are in that half a million and above on revenue line, you’re responsible for the livelihood of others, and with each level there’s a new devil. Unfortunately you look to the right, you look to the left and most people have not been in that place before. And so, a lot of them are facing it alone. And so Kelly, when someone finds themselves really struggling with entrepreneurial poverty, or not necessarily poverty, but mindset, or depression, what are some things that we can do in order to tackle that? What are the steps and procedures that need to happen in order to start giving up on our way?
Kelly Ruta:That’s a great question. And there are probably more things than I could listen to this entire episode, but I would love for people to have a handful of things to walk away and think about, and then choose a few to take action on. So, number one, and this especially goes for the women in your audience, because in my almost 27 years of experience, I have found that women have more difficulty with this than men. That is stepping forward and saying, “I actually need help with this.” Everything changed for me when I shifted my mindset from being a solopreneur, which I was really sort of used to as a therapist. I owned an agency and there were people working for me, but I was running the entire show, really not with a lot of support,  but when I stepped into a wonderful mastermind with other people who are as ambitious as I am, who were as willing to be vulnerable as I was, and who are willing to collaborate and lift each other up instead of competing and undercutting each other, my entire perspective changed.
Kelly Ruta:I realized very quickly that a lot of things that I had been taught about being really kind of hyper independent were counterproductive to growing a business. So, once you hit that four or five, $600,000 level, and you’re looking to maybe double that, triple that, five X that, whatever you realize very, very quickly, you are not going to do that by yourself. You need a team of a players who are with you every step of the way, which means you have to level up your A game as a leader, you have to learn how to hire, to onboard, to mentor, to grow your team. That’s not a skill. As a therapist, other than training therapists in training, that wasn’t really something I knew how to do. They certainly didn’t teach me that in graduate school.
Kelly Ruta:So, there is a steep learning curve. And when you can learn in a safe environment with other people like you, it will really speed that up. So, number one is, if any part of you is still stuck in that solopreneur mentality, pull it up by the root and get on the bandwagon that we go faster and further when we go together. Number two is addressed what I like to call the biggest entrepreneurial mistake that I see, which is, you’re putting 80% to 90% of your time, money and energy in strategy and tactics instead of into your own development. As a brave empowered leader of a company, of a team, of a group of clients, that is a huge mistake that people continue to make. So, they’re investing and investing and investing in strategy and tactics, which is important.
Kelly Ruta:Don’t misunderstand me. I’m not saying don’t do that. I’m saying shift how much you are doing and make sure that you’re making a solid investment in your own self as a powerful leader, which means you’re working with qualified professionals who know how to safely walk you through your own psyche, your own mindset, your own habits and behaviors, your own unconscious beliefs, so you can reprogram, rewire break habits, replace them in a way that doesn’t completely shake you to your core and make you unable to show up because it’s vulnerable work. You’ve done it. You’ve done it with me. It’s not always fun. It is certainly not always easy. And vulnerability is like bravery. It’s a muscle that we have to really flex and build and practice. Doing it with an expert in a safe environment is a really, really important investment.
Kelly Ruta:And then, the third thing is, I cannot impress this upon your listeners enough. If you still have any foot in the game, skin in the game through the door, any of those phrases that leads you to believe that rest and self-care is earned versus required. You need to leave that. Walk away from it today. There is nobody standing at whatever. Your finish line is for this business. Whether you retire, you sell it, you just close your doors, you hand it down to your kid, there’s nobody standing at the finish line clapping for you. Rest is a high-performance requirement. Refilling your cup is a high-performance requirement. Self-Care is not fluffy. It’s also not like I’m going to take a bath and paint my nails. I’m not saying that’s a bad thing, but I’m saying that’s not it. There’s we need to take that so much deeper. If we’re going to run healthy companies, we have to be healthy leaders.
Susanne Mariga:Definitely. When I worked with Kelly, I came in through her Beyond Limitless Program and to be with other entrepreneurs that were going through similar situations, making similar decisions, be able to bounce off of those ideas in a safe environment, that’s a priceless experience. It’s very important to be in the room with people that can help you. And to be able to do that with someone that’s not only has experienced working with entrepreneurs, but really has that neural background, that psychology background to help you have a call it ‘woman up’ in those situations, or you need to make some serious changes because as you grow and scale, the team that you started with is  not going to be the team that you’re going to end up with because each level has a new devil, and you’re going to have to make some hard decisions about reallocating resources, potentially reallocating people.
Susanne Mariga:And to have that sphere where you can bounce those ideas off is tremendous and priceless with that, too. So very, very good points with that. Now, Kelly, I know a lot of people are dealing with this COVID and this pandemic, and every day is different from the last. Just when we think we’re out, we’re heading towards the beach, we find out there’s a Delta variant or more variants coming, suddenly we’re reverse back into that. And in some ways, as an entrepreneur, that can feel like a bit of a cloud. How do we deal with that? What are some tips that we can deal with this pandemic that will come to an end? It will come to an end, but it affects us in our moments.
Kelly Ruta:And it won’t be the last thing that we deal with in our lifetime. Whether another pandemic comes along, or you’re living in a place that has political upheaval, or is maybe not a terribly safe community for you to live at, there’s always something that we are going to have to respond to. And that we will have to bolster our businesses to thrive in spite of. One of the 7 million things that’s been challenging about this pandemic is that there were a lot of predictions that did not come to pass. And there were things like a lot of us thought, “Oh gosh! This is going to be over sooner than it actually was.” And that’s because viruses mutate. That’s what they do. What’s been challenging psychologically for a lot of people is that we’re very adaptable.
Kelly Ruta:People are incredibly adaptable, but it has felt quite often like you will stand up after being knocked down from a wave, steady yourself barely with enough time before the next wave comes and knocks you down. I think that this has really been a time for people to take some serious inventory, not just of their financial situation, not just of their profit account and their allocations and things like that, but also of their emotional intelligence, their support system, their mental health, their physical health, lots of things. So if you’ve not taken the time to do that, I strongly suggest that you do because you may be in very good financial health, but maybe your physical health isn’t great. And a pandemic is a really good time to get that physical health in order if possible.
Kelly Ruta:Same thing with your mental health. This is incredibly stressful. We are built to handle acute stress, but chronic stress, we are not built to handle that terribly well. So, a lot of people, their mental health is taking a huge hit right now, and you deserve to have mental wellness and your business needs you to be mentally stable and mentally well. So, I think it’s a really important time to do that. The next thing I would say is, it’s a great time to go back to the beginning, to go back and shore up, why you started this quote unquote crazy journey to begin with? And are you still in alignment with what matters to you? Because we put our heads down, we make a million decisions a day. Sometimes we have to pivot. Sometimes we have to start over. Sometimes we have to make a hard right turn. We’re in it all the time.
Kelly Ruta:Sometimes, we forget to just lift our heads up for a second, take a deep breath and look all the way around. Something that I’m reminding my clients to do right now is remember why, what is it you deeply, deeply desired when you decided you were going to basically birth this business? Was it time freedom? Was it money freedom? Was it leaving a legacy, making an impact? All the above and take a look at where you are today, are the decisions you’re making aligned with all of that? Or, did you just get lost in the everyday execution and just kind of keeping your head above water? So, it’s a great time to sort of bring yourself back in alignment with those that actually matter. I cannot remember if I said this on the last episode, but I was sick with COVID for a long time.
Kelly Ruta:I was in bed for over seven weeks. And as of the time of recording this, I am 14 months out from my diagnosis and I still have symptoms. So, I have long haul COVID. And I’m probably going to need to see some specialists because it’s been a long time. The gift of this for me is, it has brought so many of my priorities into lesser focus. And so for me, having financial stability, having lots of time and space so that I can take really good care of myself, my health and my family, and making sure that I’m doing work in the world that makes an actual difference. Other than that, I will let everything else go. If it’s not aligned with those things, kind of don’t care about it right now.
Kelly Ruta:This has been such an interesting and powerful outcome from getting so sick. And so, can you let this challenging time bring you back into focus? And lastly is, there seems to be, I see this everywhere, but it’s particularly in the online space. And that is sort of the silent wall of shame that people hide behind on social media and other places. I’ve got it all together. Everything is fine. And I really wish people would start practicing the mantra that it’s okay for me to not be okay right now. It’s okay for you to say, ‘I’m not okay right now. And I’m going to do something about it.” There’s no shame in that. As a matter of fact, just you asking shows how brave and resilient you are. So, I wish, and I hope if somebody needed to hear this today, good, but I really hope that more entrepreneurs and CEOs start fessing up. You don’t have to put it on a billboard, but tell somebody, tell your doctor, tell your pastor, tell your counselor, tell your spouse, tell somebody who cares and can help you, you’re not okay. And then put your heads together about what you need to become okay because you might feel like you’re falling apart, but there’s always a way to put you back together, and you might put yourself back together even stronger than you were before.
Susanne Mariga:I love that, Kelly. And I remember when we were working together, a lot of different things happened during that time. One of our really good friends lost their child who was the age of my son, who was under five at that time. And, it was pretty traumatic of an experience. At the same time, we were doing a lot of shifts in the company because we were going to a different level. We were going towards that seven figure mark. And a lot of things couldn’t continue the same way as it was. And one of the things that you told me was, “You have to look for the gift in it. You have to look in the gift of very experience.”
Susanne Mariga:What I found is, when you’re going through those low of lows, that’s easy when there’s the biggest gift. There is the biggest gift on the other side. For me, it was getting back to why I started as a business, what was important to me, what was the work that I wanted to do in this world, and making sure my life was aligned. And so, that’s extremely valuable advice about looking for the gift in everything even in the midst of COVID, there’s a gift
Kelly Ruta:There is. And it’s not to say that there isn’t pain and tragedy and trauma. There are a lot of coaches out there that do a tremendous amount of damage because of this spiritual bypassing nonsense, like we’re going to act the awful thing isn’t there. And just talk about the blessings. I think that that’s really harmful. So the way I talk about it is basically what you just said. We’re not going to act like that wasn’t traumatic and absolutely devastating and destabilizing for that child to pass. But while you’re processing that, when you can come up for air, we’re going to begin to give your brain and your mind evidence of things, to feel hopeful about things that will actually come of this that are of a great benefit or value, and this is what human beings do. We look for meaning in things. That’s what we do that animals don’t do. So, it’s important that you, it’s tragic or there’s a gift, there’s both going on simultaneously. And I think that when you allow yourself to go through both the lows and the highs, that’s how you come out a more emotionally mature, but also wise person. And we really, really need wisdom on the planet right now, not just intellect, but real deep wisdom to draw from.
Susanne Mariga:Definitely. It’s amazing. I know from our time working together, so many things came about with that like creating the dream team. So many things literally came in, and my team was like, “You’re not working on Fridays anymore?” I’m like, “Oh no, that’s not why we started this business.” But definitely that is so important with that. Kelly, one of the things that I get for entrepreneurs is, during the midst of this pandemic, a lot of times people, you’re keeping your spirit up for yourself. You’re keeping that spirit up for your team because your team is also going through this period, and they’re learning to balance what is it like to work with kids at home or sending kids even more back to school, especially if you’re in Texas where masks are not required in schools. It can create a lot of anxiety and how do you keep yourself motivated? Because at times, you’re human, you feel that you don’t want to get out of bed. It’s so hard to get out of bed today. How do you motivate yourself to keep on going and create that energy so that you can not only carry yourself but your team forward?
Kelly Ruta:That’s an excellent question. The first answer is I don’t fake it. So if I wake up, and I really don’t feel like getting out of bed today, I will say it, I will speak it out. I will tell it to my husband. I will tell it to my best friend. I will tell it to one of my entrepreneurial colleagues because this whole fake it till you make it stuff, it’s not good for people. So, it’s important that I’m honest with myself. I try to be very transparent and honest with my clients, with people who follow me on social media. Just because I teach these skills and habits does not mean that I don’t go through the entire range of human experience. So, there are days, especially in the last 18 months, especially here healing from COVID where I did not want to get up.
Kelly Ruta:I did not want to work. I felt severe malaise. I felt that on and off for months now, and it comes and goes like all things, but really I’m honest about it. I’m honest with myself. I’m honest with the people around me. That’s number one. Number two. I am always returning to what we talked about already, which is why did I decide to do this? And why am I deciding again today to continue to do this? Because it’s not a one and one decision. When you open a business, you have to decide all the time to recommit to that business, to recommit to the dream, the goals, the objectives, the team, clients, and the industry you’re in. It’s constant re-deciding. Now on some days I’m 110% all in cheerleader. Let’s do this. That’s my best on some days. My best on other days is maybe 50%. The best you’re going to get out of me today is 50%, but it’s still my best.
Kelly Ruta:And I think people also have to realize that your best is going to vary on any given day and that’s okay. You don’t have to be at 110% every minute of every day. That is not realistic at all. And the other thing is when I am not feeling terribly high vibe, any of those sorts of things, I don’t judge myself for it. I don’t slip into self-criticism. I don’t slip into just going down the rabbit hole of imposter syndrome and all those other things because I’ve really, really trained my mind and my brain very hard over many years to understand that is a very slippery slope for anybody and that my time and energy is best spent elsewhere. So, if I’m having a particularly bad day, and I know that I’m vulnerable as all humans are to that criticism and judgment of self for not being the leader of all leaders today, then I make sure that I direct some of my time and my energy to things that really fill my cup.
Kelly Ruta:A lot of people don’t believe this, but I am an introvert. As social and vocal and verbal as I am, I need a lot of alone time. And when I’m struggling from having a particularly difficult day, I need more of that alone time. I make sure to carve that out throughout the day. And I also know that for me, laughter is not negotiable. I have to laugh every single day. And so I will seek things out, whether it’s friends or funny videos or stand-up comedy or whatever that bring laughter into my day, because the truth is, there are some really, really serious things happening in the world. And for a lot of people who are listening, happening in your personal lives right now, and even in your businesses, and we have to find ways to counteract that, so we don’t succumb to the seriousness of the things that are going on. So, I hope that’s helpful and answers your question.
Susanne Mariga:That’s extremely helpful about taking that time and making sure that you refill yourself and give yourself what you need because we all need something very, very different. And, who would have  thought that Kelly is an introvert?
Kelly Ruta:Nobody ever believes me. My family, they’re like, “Oh gosh! Yes, leave her alone when she needs to be alone.” It’s funny.
Susanne Mariga:I haven’t seen evidence that Kelly is an introvert.
Kelly Ruta:Yes, I am an outgoing introverts.
Susanne Mariga:And so, Kelly, we’re’re leaders. We’ve got team, we’ve got clients that we’re leading. We’re leaders. And, I think one of the biggest challenges that I have seen during a pandemic that I’m sure others have felt, too, was having to carry the weight and particularly with team members that are experiencing it, that they also had family members that may have passed away. They’re dealing with now being super mom, super dad at home. And, sometimes they don’t bring their A game to work or their attitudes to work. As leaders, as entrepreneurs, how do we deal with it when our team is affected by I’m going to call it pandemic depression?
Kelly Ruta:It’s a principle that I use no matter what’s going on. Pandemic or no pandemic, I think this is the way to go. I think it is incredibly important that we bring it back to ourselves. It’s very easy to look at your team members and say, they’re not doing what they need to be doing, and they’re underperforming, or they’re whatever. I always bring it back to me and say, what is it that I need to be contributing to this situation, to help lift my team member and sometimes in the end, the team members just not a match. And if a team member is not a match, you need to let them go. Do not string that along. Don’t do that. But when you see that somebody on your team is going through something, one of the most important things you can convey to them is that you’re as invested in them as you’re asking them to be in your company.
Kelly Ruta:So, for example, when I hire a new team member, one of the first things they do in the onboarding processes is they go through a getting to know you survey. So, I learned about your kids. I know your favorite color. I know your favorite food. I know where you like to shop. I know your guilty pleasure. I know your birthday. I know your mailing address. And, I also know your love language, which means I understand how you best receive feedback. So, when I see somebody who’s struggling, I am always saying, “What’s going on? What’s happening?” Not what’s wrong with you. For example, there is a woman on my team. I adore her and I know her situation. She has a military husband who deploys for very long periods of time. She has a five-year-old and a one and a half year old, and the five-year-old is autistic.
Kelly Ruta:And so, I’m always saying to her, “What can I do to best support you while your husband is away doing training exercises?” He’s getting ready for an 11 months deployment. So, we’re going to be talking about how can this company best support you while you’re basically operating as a single mother of two with no help and with a special needs with the child. Those are the conversations we have. Not, how can you be more productive? How can you crank out more? It’s shows that I am as invested in you as a person, as I’m asking you to be in my company. If you can show somebody that it’s authentic, it’s not put on,  obviously, there’s going to be a lot of buy-in from your team members. So, go the extra mile to get to know your people. And if you happen to have a large team, make sure that’s part of the training process for your leadership team, that they take the time to get to know the people who are there that directly report to them. It will make all the difference in the world.
Susanne Mariga: Oh my goodness! That was so true bombs there. We just got like a thousand dollar coaching session right there about longevity and keeping your A-players, showing your team that you are as invested in them as you were expecting them to be invested in your own company. That is like amazing. Not just talking off the let me fire you, or let’s have a performance review of you right now, and let’s do some documentation and write up but, “Hey! I understand you’re going through a hard time right now, and what kind of support do you need?” That is some true bombs that is not talked about in documentary on eight magazines.
Kelly Ruta:It’s not, that is for sure. And the other thing is, watch your assumptions. My company culture is very connective. It’s very authentic. It’s very vulnerable. And I went through a time period where people were not telling me truths about things. And I was hearing, “Oh, they’re talking about X, Y, and Z behind your back.” And I could have immediately gone to, “That’s toxic, and you’re fired and blah, blah, blah.” But, what ended up happening was I was able to sit down and find out that even though I was saying, “It’s safe for you to come talk to me. It’s safe for you to tell me what’s going on. It’s safe for me to tell for you to tell me why you are struggling with your time management or executing this particular task.” Several of them had come from a corporate background and in that corporate background, they had had managers or people above them in whatever position who said the same thing.
Kelly Ruta:But then when they did it, they did not honor that. They burned them. They humiliated them. They wrote them up. They did all these things. So, here I am thinking, “Oh, I’m saying and doing the right things, and they’re hearing it, and I’m repeating it. And I’m explicit about it. I couldn’t understand for the life of me why they were doing what they were doing, it was going that extra mile to find out there was actually a trust issue there because three of them had had the same experience at a different company of hearing that. But then, being really humiliated when they trusted and followed through, and we had a team meeting about it, it was corrected, and it was not a problem after that. So, don’t assume things either.
Susanne Mariga:I love it. That is amazing. That is really great. Just really getting in and understanding their experience and calling it out, but how do we go forward in a functional way that builds you, and it builds a company. That is some really, really great. Now, you guys you hear Kelly. She is absolutely amazing. One of the things I love to ask all of our guest is, if you could leave our viewers and our listeners with one piece of advice, and it can be personal, it can be business. What would that advice be?
Kelly Ruta:My number one piece of advice would be right now, this month, this year, whenever you’re listening to this, do the work to shift whatever lingering belief you have, that you are unworthy or undeserving of what you desire from your business. This is the number one universal limiting unconscious or subconscious belief that I bump into with human beings across the board for 27 years, is that deep down, even though consciously, you may think you’re deserving, deep down there is this fear, doubt, or belief that I am not enough, therefore I don’t deserve to make that much money, have that much time off, have that much freedom. That feels wonderful instead of exhausting, whatever it might be, have that great of a team, fill in the blank. There’s a million things, do whatever you have to do. Come work with me, go find somebody else. I don’t care who it is, but do whatever you have to do to remove that belief from your unconscious mind, reprogram it, and then change all of your habits that sabotage you, your team and your business as the result of that belief.
Susanne Mariga:I love that. And it’s true. It does take work. We’re programmed, especially, as a woman, I can say this to CSR, and it takes a lot of work to own that you belong here, that you deserve the good things that are coming to you. And, for me, it took working with Kelly in order to change that. So, definitely just like Kelly said, do the work because you cannot grow your business. You cannot expand until you are open for that expansion and can receive that expansion and receive those gifts, otherwise you’ll be closed off. And even our body language turns away those gifts if we feel that we’re not deserving of them, right. So, definitely do the work. As Kelly said, you cannot scale a business until you are stepping into the place that you belong
Kelly Ruta:Beautifully put my dear.
Susanne Mariga:So, Kelly, tell us, how do we reach you? How do we work with you?
Kelly Ruta:It’s easy to find. You can find me on Facebook. You can find me on Instagram. You can find me on LinkedIn. My website is currently being rebuilt, but you can find me through KellyRuta.com. I answer all my own messages. You can send an email in to info@kellyruta.com and just say, “Hey, I’d love to hear more.” And we will get you set up with whatever you need. So, reach out.
Susanne Mariga:She is amazing. Absolutely amazing. What I’m going to do is I have Kelly’s contact information. I’m going to put that in the show notes so you guys just scroll down a little bit in order to get her email address and her website so that you can contact her to work with her. Thank you so much, Kelly, for joining us today.
Kelly Ruta:Thanks for having me, Susanne.
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